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The New York Cycle Club is a warm and welcoming community. Our barrier for entry is all of $30 - the price of a couple of beers. And to lower that "barrier" even more, we created a trial membership for a month for a buck.

We are a welcoming community - welcoming junior members into our midst, allowing juniors to participate, to be a member, to ride with us - I wonder - who derives more joy in that, the Junior member or the parent? That parent, our fellow member, what a gift we are giving to one of our own - to make provisions for their son or daughter to come along on a NYCC ride with Mom and/or Dad. It's just one more reason I am so proud to be a member of the NYCC - we are the best!

For sure, there'll be "issues" - the unruly teenager - any one of you out there ever been an unruly teenager or have one of your own or know one? How do we monitor their voting in club elections? Oh, no, should we allow a 15 year old to be the Captain of the SIG?  All that stuff, yawn, no problem. We're adults after all, we can handle whatever comes up with junior members - no sweat - we'll deal. The "issues" are small compared to the joy and pride a junior member will have being a part of our Club, compared to the joy and pride this "Junior" will bring to his/her parent, to one of our own. 

Paying it forward, that's what we do. I am voting "yes" - I am voting "yes" as loudly as I can - to allow junior members in our club.

I hope you will join me and vote "yes" as well.

Christy  

 



 

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I endorse Christy's view 100%


Christy  nailed it as far as value of junior members to the overall welfare of our club.

The voting process is just a tad tricky. On the voting page there is a list of board positions and the name of the person running for office. All board positions are unopposed.

The junior member by-law amendment is slightly different. For that amendment to be adopted, we need a 2/3rds afirmative vote of all ballots cast.

You need to scroll down to the bottom of the page to record your vote for the amendment. In addition, you need to mark the box labelled "VOTE" for any of your votes to be recorded.

Jerry Ross

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I'm all in favor of allowing

I'm all in favor of allowing juniors into the club in principe, but I do feel like the idea could be further developed. I can see where leaders, especially young leaders with little experience might feel uncomfortable having juniors on the ride. Sometimes it can be difficult enough to managae the group's dynamics when you have two adult riders who are overly co-dependent, let alone a child and a parent. At the very least it should be made clear that juniors will only be allowed to register for rides appropriate to their riding skills, not the parent's skills. It could be very frustrating if, for example, juniors without paceline skills would register for rides that demand strong paceline skills. Why not just form a NYCC Junior group?

Gil

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These issues are covered in the amendment

The issues raised by Mr. Lavi are covered by the very clear statement that the ride leader has absolute discretion to allow or not allow a junior member and his or her parent/guardian to participate in a ride.

The club has had experience with junior members or junior riders accompanying their parents (e.g., Amanda Schacter, James Ross, Charlie Gilber). Its difficult to make assumptions because there have only been a few, but none of those young riders created any of the problems imagined by Mr. Lavi. As far as paceline skills are concerned, there is no reason to assume that a "junior" will be any more likely than an "adult" to have sufficient pacelin skills. In my exprience with junior racers, their paceline skills were equal to or better than those of older riders.

A "problem rider" is an equal opportunity issue. We have had occasional "issues" with riders and our leaders and officers know how to address those matters. If a junior rider presents a problem, I am sure we will be able to deal with it.

A bylaw is a general statement of policy. It is not intend to cover all possible problems, real or imagined. Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good.

Jerry 

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Jerry - I don’t think I

Jerry - I don’t think I assumed anything about the paceline skills of junior racers or other junior members. I only made the point that choosing the ride level should be in accordance with the skill level of the junior member, not the guardian. As for your comment to part one, as someone who always encourage young members to lead rides I’m fully aware of their dislike to any sort of possible confornatations. I’m not sure how this will impact their fears. 

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I think we need to have faith in the parents . . .

Frankly I’m not really worried about this. The simple reason is that most cycling parents want to encourage their children’s interest in cycling, not kill it off. I can think of no better way to extinguish a child’s interest in cycling than to drag them along on a 55 mile ride that they can’t do. That’s also true of hiking and any number of other activities. 

Now, could a parent get it wrong on occasion? Sure. But then adult members also get it wrong for themselves from time to time. We do see adult members on rides on which they don’t belong and we deal with it perfectly well. This is no different.  After all, the parent must be present on the ride and must abandon the ride — with the junior — if the junior can’t keep up or is riding unsafely. This is completely manageable IMO.

 

 

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So?

If there was an announcement I missed it: Did this proposed ammendment pass?

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It passed overwhelmingly

My understanding is that there were approximately 200 votes for the amendment, well over 2/3rds of the total number voting, and about 20 votes against the amendment.

Our race team leader and incumbent membership director didn't waste any time. Charlie Gilbert has paid his dues and is the first junior member we have had in at least 25 years so far as I know. He also paid it forward by helping with the 9W cleanup last summer.

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