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With nominations having closed at our October meeting and Michelle Gordon having withdrawn, this year's ballot will show the following candidates:

President: Christy Guzzetta
VP Rides: Jerry Ross
VP Programs: Eden Weiss
Secretary: Peter Storey
Treasurer: Steve Musso
Public Relations Director: Myles Lewis
Content Editor: Gil Lavi
Webmaster: Jorge Negrin
Membership Director: James Gilbert
Special Events Coordinator: Bob Gilbert
A Rides Coordinator: Michael Gately
B Rides Coordinator: Michael Roth
C Rides Coordinator: Julie Blackburn
Volunteer Coordinator: Gabby Warshawer
Escape New York Director: [No nominations]
 
In addition, the Board has approved a proposed amendment to our by-laws to reinstate the category of “Junior Member.”
 
The change is in the Membership article of the by-laws. They presently read “Any person who has reached their 18th birthday . . .. shall become a member of the club.” (Art. II, Section 1).
 
The proposed change will add a new section that will provide for persons under age 18 to join as “Junior Members.” A junior member will have all the rights and privileges of a “Member” except that he or she must be accompanied by a parent or legal guardian whenever participating in a club ride or event. Junior members will pay the same dues as regular members but will not have the right to vote in club elections or be elected to office.
 
The ballot will contain a link to the full text of the by-laws as proposed to be amended. As with all amendments to the by-laws, approval of two-thirds of the votes cast is required for adoption.
 
I hope to have the ballot go "live" by October 25th. Balloting will continue until (and including) our Club meeting on November 14th.
 
Peter Storey, Secretary
 

 

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Peter, 2 questions regarding

Peter,

2 questions regarding the proposed bylaws:

  1. Will you be posting the actual text of the proposed amendments prior to the ballot opening so that members can review prior to voting? In the past, you've provided either the actual proposed text or a redlined version.
  2. Will ride leaders be obligated to allow junior members to join their ride if the guardian is present? 

 

Thanks,

Israel

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Junior membership

Israel (and everyone else)

  • A red-lined text of the bylaws will be published this week, when the voting opens.
  • Junior members have the same responibilities and privileges of regular members except they don't get to vote or hold office Therefore, a ride leader has the sameright to reject a junior member as he/she has with respect to anyone else.

Jerry Ross

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Thanks Jerry. So no special

Thanks Jerry. So no special Ride Leader permission/notification  is required for a junior member to come on a ride? Meaning, if a ride leader doesn't check the age of every person joining their ride, one could end up with a 15 yr old on their ride?

Come to think of it, how would a ride leader determine a member is in fact a junior member?

I'm not saying that's a terrible idea, I just think that should be discussed & debated so that members are making an informed choice. 

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The Redline . . .

A redlined copy of the by-laws as proposed to be amended can now be found at:

https://nycc.org/about/2018ProposedByLaws

As for Israel's concerns about a leader having to accept a junior member on his/her ride, (a) as Jerry says, a leader has control over who comes on their ride and (b) Guideline "(2)" of the new Section 1a makes it clear that a leader may require the parent or guardian and the junior member to leave the ride if the junior member can't keep up or is misbehaving. That should pretty well cover it.

Hope this helps,

Peter 

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Thanks Peter. That's much

Thanks Peter. That's much clearer.

I would suggest the parent guardian notify ride leaders of the planned attendance of a minor prior to attending the ride so that the ride leader has an opportunity to voice their concern. Nobody relishes turning away a rider at the start of a ride, particularly if they have a child with them. IMO, that's an unfair burden to place on ride leaders. 

Israel

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Since Junior Members will not

Since Junior Members will not be allowed to vote, I'm assuming the status will be maintained in the membership database? If so, that status should also be visible to ride leaders so they can prepare for their ride. 

In fact, it might be interesting to see whether it is possible to include an option in the ride listing page to exclude Junior Members if Leaders do not want to ride with minors for whatever reason.

 

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You know what they say about assumptions :)

I would venture to guess that nobody's thought through the back-end implications of this. We tried to implement limited voting rights for trial members but could never get it working reliably. Who knows. Perhaps things are better now.

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Junior Member amendment to the by-laws

Two people have expressed concerns about junior members being "imposed" on ride leaders. Their concerns deserve respect.  Several points to keep in mind:

  • the amendment clearly states that any junior member must be accompanied by his or her parent. The reason for that is to prevent someone using junior membership status to turn over his or her child to the ride leader.
  • the amendment also clearly states that a ride leader can bar a junior member and his parent from a ride. Although this is the case for any rider, it is repeated in the junior membership section so that ride leaders and junior riders and their parents know that the leader has full discretion -- he or she is not a babysitter.

 

We had a junior member in 1992. He was my son James. He was invited to come to the club and club rides by then NYCC President Richard Rosenthal. We always rode together and also led rides together. OUr rides were generally, if not always, C rides (we may have ridden with one B group). To my knowledge he was never considered a burden on any ride. 

We now have another young person riding with his dad: Charlie Gilbert, son of James Gilbert one of our race team leaders and soon to become Membership Director. I saw Charlie riding just once, when he participated in the 9W cleanup earlier this year. Charlie, who is 9 years old, carried his weight (actually 3 or  times his weight) picking up trash along 9W and rode back home with his dad and several other riders at a reasonable C/slow B pace. 

The concerns expressed on the MB seem to come from A riders. It is certainly understandable that an A group leader, riding a tight paceline, and maintaining a rigorous pace, would be concerned about a child riding in that line. Of course there is a big difference between a 9-12 year old and a16-17  year old cyclist. I observed 16 year old cyclists racing with Kissena leaving older riders in the dust -- let's hope the objections aren't based on fear of being outridden!

The reality is that a very young junior will be riding with C or slow B groups. Given the demographic composition of our membership, there will never be more than one, maybe two any given time. That means that the junior member will be well known and his or her riding skills, manners and disciplines will also be well known. Thus, in reality there won't be a problem for a leader to make it know that he or she doesn't want to lead a junior. The possibility of a leader being surprised by a junior rider is slight to non-existent.

The positive reason to approve this amendment is that it sends a message to the cycling public that we welcome everyone who is willing to follow our policies and ride with the discipline, courtesy and skill we expect of all riders.

All of the racing clubs and USA cycling accept juniors. Our insurance carrier provides for juniors. Our own ENY accepts juniors. The fear of a junior becoming a problem for ride leaders is no more likely than an adult rider becoming a problem and we have had to deal with adult problem riders from time to time. We had a junior membership; status in 1992. It was removed sometime in the early 2000's; I have never had anyone explain why that was done.

Several of us are over 70 years old. We still ride actively, but we are not "the future of NYCC." Young people are. Maybe the 9 or 10 year old junior won't be the next board member, volunteer or ride leader. But his 40 year old dad or mom might very well be and that is the demographic cohort we need for "the future of NYCC." If this small gesture encourages one enthusiastic 40 something year old member, it's worth doing for that reason alone.

I strongly urge that you vote to approve this amendment when the ballots are posted.

Jerry Ross

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Agree

I agree that junior members are the future of the club. My daughter Amanda rode often with the club before she was 18. She started with C rides and worked her way up always accompanied by at least one parent. Few parents, if any, are going to want to foist their offspring on rides that are too fast or hard for them. When parents bring children, they want to encourage them and that means giving them rides that they can finish.

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I absolutely loved riding

I absolutely loved riding with Amanda back then.

And you an Irv too.

Christy

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Jerry, Thanks for posting

Jerry, Thanks for posting this backstory. I'm actually supportive of the notion, I just think leaders should be made aware in advance of the ride so that they can voice their objection, if any. The burden (ifsofar as there is one) should be on the parent, not the ride leader.

P.S. When is the ballot opening?

 

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junior members . . . vs. club liability

Are we/they covered on a liability basis under our insurance, just as regular/current members are?

 

Are there any additional signoffs or guardian signatures we should require for junior members?

 

 

Susan

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yes and yes

Our insurance policy covers minors. The parent/guardian has to sign the waiver form, just as we do at ENY. We'll have to figure out a way to flag that when  a junior is signed up for a ride.

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It is about the future
Anything we can do to interest people to join is a benefit to us all...
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